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    • Attaching Exhibit A as I would like some validation that this email consitutes indeed a draft defence. If not; i might need to tone down my argument. Exhibit A. Draft Defence Redacted.pdf
    • Appreciate your swift input and amendments! I've reworded some of it (and will likely reformat the page a bit before printing to make it neater) but I've included the majority of your suggestions. Let me know what you think. Would you recommend I email this to the individual who declined the compensation as well as sending it by post? Cheers Switch2 - Letter of Claim v3.pdf
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    • Okay. That sounds a lot better. Hopefully you now realise that the third party rights act only applies if you have used a parcel broker but you are trying to sue the courier company directly. So because you contracted directly with the courier, you are going to sue them directly. By using insurance or prohibited items or non-compensation lists, they are seeking to exclude or limit liability for failure to exercise reasonable skill and care – and of course this is contrary to section 57 of the consumer rights act and in fact the insurance that they pressurise you to purchase amounts to a secondary contract under section 72 of the Act because it is a prohibited secondary contract which is attempting also to limit or exclude liability for failure to exercise reasonable skill and care. The prohibited items list is an unfair term as you have already pointed out. Even more significantly here not only are they saying that it is prohibited – but they are saying this despite the fact that they were very happy to take your money in respect of insurance. These people are stupid and dishonest. But also now they will abuse the County Court system by making you jump through the hoops because it costs them scarcely anything at all to use up the County Court system because it is a publicly funded taxpayer resourced system of justice. They don't use this to obtain justice. They use this simply as a means of debt avoidance to try and frustrate their customers legitimate claims.   Okay I've made a few amendments – and also I've added a further head of damage for unfair trading which could give you a next your little bit of money and also an extra little bit of leverage. Please have a look. See if you are happy with it. If you want to take anything away. If you want to add anything. If there is anything which is incorrect – and post up the final draft here please for a last look.
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Hi Dotty,

Just looked at my Apollo sheets and nothing appears on it, possibly becasue they have the ProphIt system to keep that info on. From what I gather, the Apollo is a more detailed record of the account rather than the payment history.

If you really want to confuse the poor dears :), work out the charges at the contractual interest rate they were charging at the time. That will give you three sets of charges. Don't use Statutory Interest yet(keep that for court-if it ever gets there).

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Thanks again, Pinky I will get a letter prepared.

 

Hi Silverfox, as Pinky says, they should have a log of the rates for the duration so I will be requesting that, amongst other things, like my written request for PPI!

 

This, strangely enough, was not enclosed with SAR! :shock:

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Oh DD, they would have been very welcome to reveal themselves! (I don't mean in a 'mac' sense!) :shock:

 

Right back to more serious matters, any comments/additions to this letter I have prepared to send to them?

 

Debitarse and Power2Contact and the TWO door knockers seem to have gone away! Should this be mentioned or kept for another complaint letter?

 

last 'Official Complaint' sent on 5th January, guess they are still working on another stitch up, sorry suitable response.

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SUBJECT ACCESS REQUEST FURTHER INFO REQ - JAN 10 with deletions.doc

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Oh DD, they would have been very welcome to reveal themselves! (I don't mean in a 'mac' sense!) :shock:

 

Right back to more serious matters, any comments/additions to this letter I have prepared to send to them?

 

Debitarse and Power2Contact and the TWO door knockers seem to have gone away! Should this be mentioned or kept for another complaint letter?

 

last 'Official Complaint' sent on 5th January, guess they are still working on another stitch up, sorry suitable response.

:(

 

looks good- i take it they have sent the comms logs?

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Hi DD,

 

Comms log - I assume is communications?

 

Well they sent screen shots, which show all/some of the daily calls, no reply, set for next day etc. Silverfox very kindly pointed me to their Apollo system which shows more info apparently, hence my request.

 

Should I therefore request 'comms log' as well?

 

Thanks as well Flooz, all encouragement/support greatly appreciated. :)

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Hi DD,

 

Comms log - I assume is communications?

 

Well they sent screen shots, which show all/some of the daily calls, no reply, set for next day etc. Silverfox very kindly pointed me to their Apollo system which shows more info apparently, hence my request.

 

Should I therefore request 'comms log' as well?

 

Thanks as well Flooz, all encouragement/support greatly appreciated. :)

 

i would yes- you should be able to see all manual interventionsm when they occurred when the dn ws issued etc - they can be quite enlightening

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@puter? Computer, is that @ for Apple?

 

Yes 6 hours does it for me too, so guess I better get moving!

 

I have posted before about this site being addictive, I read such a lot of threads and posts and am so thankful for finding CAG, it has kept me sane the last few months (and I used to be in the industry, so I know how things used to work!) Although I worked for a reputable company (at the time) now sadly taken over.

 

Call centres were our downfall, closing the branch structure, where you had experienced people and sympathetic people if you had problems, local phone numbers, no press button 1,2,3,4,5,..............100!

 

Felt like a bit of a rant, sorry. Bit like the Manchester Test cases! lol

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Letter ready to go in post tomorrow, added request for comms log also asked them, if they can't or won't supply the further information, then they must explain why.

 

Had a response to my complaint, enclosed another copy of the 'Application' previously supplied and a 'Credit Agreement', don't think I have had that one before, will post it on here tomorrow all being well.

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Hi Dot. You had any joy with a f & f with Crap1?

Brooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooce's success's so far:

 

Capital One - 15% f & f saving £4,250

Barclaycard - 25% f & f saving £12,000

Blackhorse - reduced loan settlement saving £1,605

Cahoot - 15% f & f saving £2,740

MBNA - 20% f & f saving £26,800

Lloyds TSB 28% f & f saving £7,377

 

Total written off to date: £54,772!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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No not on this one Brooce,

 

I am looking to claim back PPI & charges, which by the time I have added the contractual interest on, will be more than the balance!

 

Just waiting for them to come back to me with confirmation of the interest from the start.

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Hi,

 

Power2 contact response received today, not seen one of these on other threads goes like this:-

 

Thank you for correspondence in relation to our visit to................

I can confirm that P2C acts as a third party...........Debitas etc.

 

To date we have no knowledge of any outstanding dispute with Debitas (well that's because it is with Crap1!) however the account has been returned to Debitas and further action would only happen at the request of Debitas.

 

P2C offers a door step collection service blah blah...........This is simply another option available to our customers to assist them in repaying their debts. In relation to field visits in subsection 2.12 of the OFT guidelines doorstep visits must give adequate notice of the time and date of visit.

 

The Armstrong Sheppard (1959) you quote is dependant on each individual circumstance and only such order to refuse access can come from a Court and not from an individual.

 

In relation to your request under section 10 of the DPA this section only applies where there is not a legitimate reason for holding this information, as your account was referred to us by Debitas for contact we have a legitimate reason for holding this information and there for will be unable to comply with your request at present.

 

Lastly, should you wish to escalate blah blah.......6months.......I have enclosed a copy of our Company Complaints Procedure Leaflet for you information.

 

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No date or time was given for 2 visits, their previous letter stated that 'If you fail to contact Debitas within 3 working days of receipt of this letter, we will instruct one of our Contact Managers to visit etc' - Shot themselves in the foot there then!

Didn't enclose the Leaflet either! :rolleyes:

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YADDA YADDA YADDA, BLAH BLAH BLAH- Usual rubbish.

 

Another one for Trading Standards and the OFT.

 

Bunch of muppets.

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I can only think that maybe the telephone operators are dealing with my letter for further information requested to my SAR instead of calling!

 

Nothing so far today either, just checked my records and all the calls this month up to the 11th were from the number ending 1993, which I think may be the Debitas dept.

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