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Hiya all, sorry if I've posted this in the wrong place, I've looked around and this one seemed the most appropriate. Please move it if it's in the wrong place.

 

Basically, I'm looking for a bit of advice regarding some comments put on facebook about my brother and his own business by an ex-girlfriend.

 

Her comments are clearly defamatory and a breach of facebook's code of conduct but I wanted to get a little more background knowledge as to whether we could take this further, ie. through the courts and local press?

 

All help is welcome

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Have you reported it to FB?

Have you also taken screenshots ?

Much depends on the circumstances,and establishing any cause of action.

Any loss,harm,or damages would need to be mitigated.

There have been some cases in the media,but the costs of taking these actions can be very expensive in the Civil Courts.

You could make a formal complaint to the Police,there are established laws for this,but if FB have taken action,and the person has given an undertaking not to repeat any adverse or hostile postings,the Police are likely to only give a caution,but in extreme cases they can remove computer equipment and a Court can order confiscation.

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Have you reported it to FB?

Have you also taken screenshots ?

Much depends on the circumstances,and establishing any cause of action.

Any loss,harm,or damages would need to be mitigated.

There have been some cases in the media,but the costs of taking these actions can be very expensive in the Civil Courts.

You could make a formal complaint to the Police,there are established laws for this,but if FB have taken action,and the person has given an undertaking not to repeat any adverse or hostile postings,the Police are likely to only give a caution,but in extreme cases they can remove computer equipment and a Court can order confiscation.

 

Hi there, thanks for your reply.

 

We haven't reported it yet, but we plan to.

 

We can't actually take a screenshot because we are not friends to access it. We have been informed that it's there by mutual friends.

 

She is actually naming my brother's business as well as him as a person. So I'm quite confident that she has breached facebook's own code of conduct, but I know from experience how slow facebook are at responding to something like this.

 

I'll keep you informed and thanks again for your help :-)

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I am not so surprised if a complaint made to facebook fails to do the trick.

 

None the less, individuals have been successfully sued because of defamatory comments attempted online.

 

If you google about, intelligently, reports to that effect should not be so hard to find.

 

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Ignore that- I misread what you said. sorry

I can't even see the page that it's on to copy it, I would need to be her 'friend' to get access to her profile. It was a mutual friend that alerted us that the comments were there. She has even asked if someone could ''sort him out'' :jaw:

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Another way to do this then,is to ask your friend to copy and paste the text and email it to you.

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One of my neigbours had the same problems and the Police were involved.

I will try and find the course of events as I have them here in emails.

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I would just report to facebook for now. They will be able to see the comments and will take the appropriate action. if you need a screen shot program I use Screen Grab Pro. It's free and a small download. Google it.

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I would just report to facebook for now. They will be able to see the comments and will take the appropriate action. if you need a screen shot program I use Screen Grab Pro. It's free and a small download. Google it.

 

Or if your friend is at all nervous about downloading software and the like then just open Paint - or similar - and:

 

Press the "Ctrl" and "Prnt Scrn" buttons on the open facebook page

Then go straight to Paint (or similar) and press "Ctrl" and "V" (ie paste) - save the image and 'screen print' done....

Ctrl and Alt and Prnt Scrn will screen print the individual window, rather than the whole desktop

 

Or you could use other free downloads like CutePDF to save the page. Or your friend could just print the page for you - then no need for anyone to know from where it came...

 

Apologies for coming on the end of a thread and for letting you know about stuff you may already know about :) I only came here to seek help for a problem with a retailer!

 

For whatever it's worth, good luck by the way

NewSAHD

 

PS Subject to whatever advice you receive you should, perhaps, be sure that the idiot making the comments explains/retracts/corrects the falsehoods and, in particular, also apolgises for the same...

As for me, happy to help out. I am not a Landlord, but I have been in the past. I am not an Agent, but I have been in the past. I am, therefore, a has been, so always seek independent and suitably qualified advice elsewhere before relying upon whatever has been posted here :-)

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Lets not forget that Larissa was asking if there was any recourse to take this further.

Course of action obviously will rely on evidence to support it.

We dont yet know the extent of any defamation or damages these posts may have caused,the bottom line on that would be able to show grounds that it had.

Insofar as local press is concerned,it depends on a number of things.

You can be sure that if there is legal action either in the civil or criminal courts,that they would be interested.

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Hi LarissaJ :-)

 

You've already been advised to obtain screen prints and to report the matter to FB so there's little more that I can add on that score. However, I would hold back a little as regards the possibility of suing your brother's ex.

 

Although the ex has written defamatory comments, due to the nature of FB, the comments may actually be considered slander as opposed to libel. (High Court Case 2008 ruled on this regarding a bulletin board). In any event, suing for defamation will be extremely costly.

 

I think the best thing is to consider what it is you want to achieve.

 

Firstly, to get the comments removed and secondly, for the allegations/defamation not to be repeated. You have contacted FB regarding the first and, regarding the second, I would get your brother's solicitor to fire off a warning letter. Not only will it be cheaper, and less hassle for your brother, but it will also show the courts that he has attempted to be reasonable, should the offence be repeated.

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The pre action protocols for tort,are considerably different than for other claims.

Welshmam makes good points.

I think you could get a solicitor to write a letter seeking an underaking that there will be no repeat of this for around £20-£25

Keep us posted either way.

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Although the ex has written defamatory comments, due to the nature of FB, the comments may actually be considered slander as opposed to libel. (High Court Case 2008 ruled on this regarding a bulletin board). In any event, suing for defamation will be extremely costly.

 

I was not aware of a finding to the effect that something posted to Facebook is slander as opposed to libel, so the details to firm that up would be welcome, please.

 

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I was not aware of a finding to the effect that something posted to Facebook is slander as opposed to libel, so the details to firm that up would be welcome, please.

 

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I would have thought it was Libel too? Anything to counter this would be interesting to read.

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I was not aware of a finding to the effect that something posted to Facebook is slander as opposed to libel, so the details to firm that up would be welcome, please.

 

I would have thought it was Libel too? Anything to counter this would be interesting to read.

 

I agree with you both, but this is what I discovered by googling "High Court Case Ruling on Bulletin Board" recently.

 

It relates to Sheffield Wednesday FC I believe.

 

There are many links, but this is just one for immediate reading...hope it's ok to post this...if removed...just google the term above.

 

http://www.out-law.com/page-9330

 

The significant factor, as I see it, being this below...

 

In English law, a victim of libel can win damages even if he has not suffered financial loss as a result of the statement. A person who has been slandered must prove that actual damage has been suffered. Scots law, which does not distinguish libel from slander, requires proof of harm but not necessarily financial loss. In a defamation action under Scots law, there is a defence if the statement was made in the heat of an argument. The defence does not exist in English law.
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mmmm...

 

It is not quite so simple.

 

Proof of special damage is not necessary when the slander implies the commission of a criminal offence punishable by imprisonment, infection with a contagious disease, unchastity in a woman, or is calculated to disparage a person in his office, business, trade, or profession.
(from: A Dictionary of Law, Oxford University Press 2009 )

 

Wondering to what extent one should weigh the fact that a comment is only available for friends to access, I would have recommended in any case to refrain from suing, short of evidence to prove that there was an actual damage, a demonstrable effect apart from Facebook. Maybe there's another judgement yet to turn up, with that in mind.

 

Thanks for posting the link.

 

:-)

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It really doesn't, well for me anyway.

 

I was always under the impression that libel is based upon a statement being in permanent form and would include the internet?

 

I honestly can't answer that Sequenci. If a statement is written down in black and white then I would be inclined to agree that it is libel.

 

However, when the Defamation Act 1996 was drafted, I doubt very much that the potential defamatory impact of social networking sites such as FB, MySpace et al, could reasonably have been forseen.

 

Until such time as the law is updated, I guess it will come down the the Judges interpretation and we will be relying on case law.

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mmmm...

 

It is not quite so simple.

 

Proof of special damage is not necessary when the slander implies the commission of a criminal offence punishable by imprisonment, infection with a contagious disease, unchastity in a woman, or is calculated to disparage a person in his office, business, trade, or profession.

 

Yes, that's correct Perplexity!

 

(from: A Dictionary of Law, Oxford University Press 2009 )

 

Wondering to what extent one should weigh the fact that a comment is only available for friends to access, I would have recommended in any case to refrain from suing, short of evidence to prove that there was an actual damage, a demonstrable effect apart from Facebook. Maybe there's another judgement yet to turn up, with that in mind.

 

Thanks for posting the link.

 

:-)

 

Whether comments are only available to friends depends upon the privacy levels set by the User I believe (although in this case it does apply). It never ceases to amaze me how many of my childrens friends' pages and photo's can be freely accessed without having to have been accepted as a "friend."

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I think there is a confusion between two different things here.

 

A) What is regarded as Slander, and what is regarded as Libel. i.e. 'The means of publication'

 

and

 

B) The basis of what damages are available, and the special rules surrounding special damage in relation to slander.

 

It's an interesting casem especially since my law lecturer always drilled it in to me that slander was communication via transient form. It's easier to succeed in Libel than it is Slander although both actions can be costly and complicated.

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I think there is a confusion between two different things here.

 

That is what Mr. Justice Eady appears to have done, quite deliberately:

 

"...the casual, conversational nature of bulletin boards meant that defamatory comments were more like slander than libel"

 

http://www.out-law.com/page-9330

 

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