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    • actually, we must apologise as you did mention it. IMHO this should have been mentioned in your defence. we screwed up. dx      
    • Thanks. Maybe you could have a look at my summary – and go through it and confirm my understandings. Also, now that you have evidence recorded I think it would be a good idea to reveal the name of the dealer. I know the name already because you posted up on Facebook – but I think it will be a good idea to post it here. There is no downside. It might attract other people who have had similar experiences and who may be helpful to you and of course it may be helpful to others in a similar situation. We normally find that publishing the name of dealers is helpful because once they realise that their reputation is at risk, though sometimes start to become compliant. Also, if we have the name of the dealer you may be able to make our own research which will help to refine our advice.
    • good evening guys lookinforinfo many thanks for your reply and support. Thanks for getting the team to move the posts to a MSG thread. I wanted to avoid any confrontation but i feel helpless against these evil  morons, i should not have to fight it and hope the court sees things in my favour, its the whole process that makes me want to kill somebody, i wont but im not always in control of my actions due to my  mental health condition.   All going well i wont hear from the police but who knows, ill just have to wait and see, the morons deserved it but i did not go there to cause agro, i was held in an impossible situation. I have told doctors many times i might end up in jail or kill someone or kill myself.    FTMDave thanks for your reply i will let you guys know if i hear anything.   ------------------------- Today i called Citizens Advice and told them everything including my vulnerabilities, i have a phone appointment on the 22nd to discuss the illegal PCN. Im not sure what they can do but ill see if my vulnerabilities help in any way  
    • Sorry I was just editing because I didn't seee your first reply. My bad sorry and yeah 70% criminology and 30% counselling, just give me more options when I graduate. Victim support etc.. how ironic lol 😆 
    • No particular relevance – but always interested to know what university students are studying. I have known lots of criminology students – but I have never heard of a degree which involves criminology plus counselling. I hope it works well for you. What about the answers to the rest of the questions?
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    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

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      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

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My girlfriend and I went along to a trial session at a local fitness centre we had been told about.

After the session, we sat down in the café and received a free (freshly ground) coffee as we discussed joining permanently with the trainer.

The conversation was brief, 5 mins max.

 

It involved an iPad on which she showed us the booking app they use and details of the different memberships.

We opted for the couples membership at £88.20 per month (endorphin levels were sky high so this sounded like a great deal at the time) plus we get some free gear and a club-branded item of clothing of our choice, each.

 

The club was only a few weeks old at the time, and it seemed like the trainer who was signing us up didn't know exactly how to navigate the sign-up procedure, but we got there in the end. We handed over personal details and my girlfriend gave her bank details for the direct debit to be taken out each month.

We immediately had to pay a pro-rata fee of £67.62 for the first month (September), oh and a joining fee of £50 (!?).

 

A few weeks later and reality hit, we were never going to get our moneys worth from this club and had only been a handful of times in the first couple of months (lets just blame it on our 'busy' lifestyle)

 

We paid again at the beginning October but then my girlfriend finally rang up to cancel.

This is when she gets told that actually she can't cancel the membership as (duh) we signed up to a 6-month contract.

Instead, they suggested that 'we had joined for a reason why don't we just pop down and give it another go'.

 

My girlfriend expressed her surprise at the fact that we were committed to anything, to which they told her all of the details were in her contract.

She went on to ask for a copy of this contract, that she had never seen before.

 

They did email her a copy of a black and white contract, which was filled in with her details and with all of the terms and conditions.

It included our joining date and commitment period end date.

 

At the bottom, there is an Application Declaration section, with signature boxes which were (obviously) blank, because this was the first time either of us had seen this contract.

Page 2, there was a physical activity readiness questionnaire (blank with empty signature box)

Page 3 was a copy of her direct debit (blank with empty signature boxes)

 

She informed the club that she was cancelling her direct debit as these contracts they had sent were quite clearly unsigned by herself, and that she was never informed and/or agreed to the long-term contract. They never acknowledged this email.

 

Fast forward a couple of months and she receives an email from a debt collection agency after a payment of £610.26.

She rang this agency and told them the whole story.

They agreed to put everything on hold and contact the club.

 

The next day, she receives an email from the agency stating that they had contacted the club and they had been advised by their client, that we set up our membership via a tablet they handed to us, that we had agreed to tick and had agreed the terms and conditions in order to proceed.

And that they had no written confirmation of us wishing to cancel our membership (bull****)

 

Therefore they look forward to our payment (of which late fees had been added)

Their t&c's actually say they may charge a fee of no more than £15 for failed direct debit payments and any unpaid fees referred to a debt collection agency will be subject to a charge of no more than £30?

But that's besides the point.

 

We/my gf were never told about the commitment period, and never signed anything.

They sent us a copy of a completely blank contract.

 

We're only 24/25 and have no experience of anything like this, do we just ride it out?

Could we be caught out somewhere along the line, even with them having no signature?

We've watched hours of Can't pay we'll take it away, should we expect to see ourselves on Channel 5 next year?

 

Thanks in advance for any help.

P.S. We never received our t-shirts.

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Have a read of other threads here. Your experience is the same as those. It's nothing to worry aboit

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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Hi TC and welcome to CAG

 

Please confirm the name of the gym and of the collection company.

 

Don't expect to be on Channel 5 TV any time soon. In our considerable experience over many years, we've seen only one case go to court and that was dropped like a hot potato as soon as the claim was defended.

 

Don't respond to the collection demands by phone or any other means for now.

 

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Bailiffs only come AFTER you lose a court case

you fail to pay it in 28days

the court allows them to be used.

 

and as gyms don't do court...as slick says - nothing to worry about

 

a DCA is NOT A BAILIFF

they have

ZERO legal powers

safe to totally ignore

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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