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    • Attaching Exhibit A as I would like some validation that this email consitutes indeed a draft defence. If not; i might need to tone down my argument. I had initially counted 6 emails from them but I can only find 5 now... If I can't find the last one I will just change the number down to 5. Exhibit A. Draft Defence Redacted.pdf
    • Appreciate your swift input and amendments! I've reworded some of it (and will likely reformat the page a bit before printing to make it neater) but I've included the majority of your suggestions. Let me know what you think. Would you recommend I email this to the individual who declined the compensation as well as sending it by post? Cheers Switch2 - Letter of Claim v3.pdf
    • I suggest (change in red) -   The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature which fails to comply with CPR 16.4.  The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 1.  The Defendant is the recorded keeper of [car reg no]. 2.  It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with the Claimant. 3.  As held by the Upper Tax Tribunal in Vehicle Control Services Limited v HMRC [2012] UKUT 129 (TCC), any contract requires offer and acceptance.  The Claimant was simply contracted by the landowner to provide car park management services and is not capable of entering into a contract with the Defendant on its own account, as the car park is owned by and the terms of entry set by the landowner.  Accordingly, it is denied that the Claimant has authority to bring this claim.    4.  In any case it is denied that the Defendant broke the terms of a contract with the Claimant. 5.  The Claimant is attempting double recovery by adding an additional sum not included in the original offer.  6. The Claimant is claiming an unlawful amount of interest.  The dispute between the parties concerns a disputed, unpaid invoice, issued on 6 January 2025, on which it is written "Payment to be made by 06-Feb-2025".  Yet the Claimant is claiming interest from 4 January 2025.  7. The Particulars of Claim is denied in its entirety.  It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief at all.
    • Okay. That sounds a lot better. Hopefully you now realise that the third party rights act only applies if you have used a parcel broker but you are trying to sue the courier company directly. So because you contracted directly with the courier, you are going to sue them directly. By using insurance or prohibited items or non-compensation lists, they are seeking to exclude or limit liability for failure to exercise reasonable skill and care – and of course this is contrary to section 57 of the consumer rights act and in fact the insurance that they pressurise you to purchase amounts to a secondary contract under section 72 of the Act because it is a prohibited secondary contract which is attempting also to limit or exclude liability for failure to exercise reasonable skill and care. The prohibited items list is an unfair term as you have already pointed out. Even more significantly here not only are they saying that it is prohibited – but they are saying this despite the fact that they were very happy to take your money in respect of insurance. These people are stupid and dishonest. But also now they will abuse the County Court system by making you jump through the hoops because it costs them scarcely anything at all to use up the County Court system because it is a publicly funded taxpayer resourced system of justice. They don't use this to obtain justice. They use this simply as a means of debt avoidance to try and frustrate their customers legitimate claims.   Okay I've made a few amendments – and also I've added a further head of damage for unfair trading which could give you a next your little bit of money and also an extra little bit of leverage. Please have a look. See if you are happy with it. If you want to take anything away. If you want to add anything. If there is anything which is incorrect – and post up the final draft here please for a last look.
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      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
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https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/new-private-parking-code-to-launch-in-the-uk-later-this-year/

The newly created gov petition 'Immediately Reintroduce Private Parking Code of Practice' is from Stanley Luckhurst, the 85-year-old old Excel Parking took to court. Excel lost the case and the pensioner's been campaigning for regulation of PPCs since this unpleasant experience. https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/24085471.gerrards-cross-pensioner-takes-nightmarish-private-parking/

I would urge anyone on this forum who supports the petition statement "We believe the private parking industry is trending toward anarchy and must be brought to order by re-launching the Government Code immediately" to sign and share it. 168 signings at 4pm today https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/660922

If the gov new parking code is not launched before parliament dissolves (for the general election) then the legislation is at great risk of being shelved. And we'll be stuck with ATAs new joint code which does not address motorists issues such as a cap on parking charges, debt recovery or an independent appeal process.  https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/wash-up/

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The UK Parliament petitions website closed today. It will reopen sometime after the general election when a new Petitions Committee is appointed. This means all open petitions have unfortunately had to close early.

 

The petitions 

Immediately Reintroduce the Parking Code of Practice was only open a few wks but managed to collect 374 signatures  (His Change.Org petition has 1455 signings)

Require communications from Private Parking companies to be traceable/trackable collected 300 signatures in the 5mths it was open.

Thank you to anyone on the CAG forum who signed.

 

It seems the Parking Code of Practice has only temporarily been shelved until a new LUHC ministerial team is appointed. Let's hope the new ministers can consult and implement this code quicker than the previous ministers.

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That we would need to stop since their current Codes of Conduct are already unlawful and unfair. Unlawful as both advocate an extra £60 o £70 additional fees that none of them seem able to identify what they are for.

Unfair since both want to include the 5 minute minimum Consideration  period into the period parking period when motorists decide to stay. But the CT is designed for motorists to read the T&Cs BEFORE parking so why is it then decided as parking after they opt to stay.

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Be interesting to see what other unfair terms their new joint CoP provides for motorists when BPA/IPC publish at the end of June.

And as it will be implemented before the gov CoP we'll see if it reduces number of pcns issued and number of motorists complaints about the private parking industry's unfair code breach practices.

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Well it seems the introduction of BPA/IPC CoP hasn't reduced number of pcns issued or reduced number of complaints.

A group of new MPs report they continue to receive complaints at a steady rate and having found their correspondence with parking operators met with a lack of meaningful engagement or, in some cases, unconstructive responses the new MPs are now lobbying the Govt to implement "statutory regulation" for the private parking sector.   

Read their well written letter to the HCLG Minister and copied to the Select Committee here:

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/24811485.darlingtons-mp-leads-calls-car-parking-reform/

 

Rip-off private parking fines needs to go’, Catherine Atkinson MP tells Parliament

https://www.derbyworld.co.uk/community/rip-off-private-parking-fines-needs-to-go-catherine-atkinson-mp-tells-parliament-4897790

 

Motorists can also help send this message to Govt by signing/share Stanley Luckhurst's re-issued petition (previous one closed early due to GE)

Bring the Parking Code of Practice into law, as per the 2019 Act of Parliament.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701453

Signatures 110. All petitions run for 6 months (6 June 2025) 

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A recent addition to Parliament petition website if anyone cares to support it please sign 🙏

 

Introduce Regulation of Private Parking Practices

37 signatures

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/709776

 

This petition is still accepting signatures 

Bring the Parking Code of Practice into law, as per the 2019 Act of Parliament.

320 signatures

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/701453

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More parking petitions have been added to the website please consider signing 🙏 

 

Require car parks to have an on-site payment point

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/716309

Signatures - 51      Closes 26 Sept 2025

 

Make machines, which take payment on exit, mandatory for parking operators

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/714398

Signatures - 47    Closes 17 Sept 2025

 

Stop the DVLA selling information to private companies

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/716819

Signatures - 45     Closes - 28 Sept 2025

 

Create a set of standards for private parking firms that ensure transparency

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/718339

Signatures - 26      Closes - 3 Oct 2025

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