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    • Appreciate your swift input and amendments! I've reworded some of it (and will likely reformat the page a bit before printing to make it neater) but I've included the majority of your suggestions. Let me know what you think. Would you recommend I email this to the individual who declined the compensation as well as sending it by post? Cheers Switch2 - Letter of Claim v3.pdf
    • I suggest (change in red) -   The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are vague and generic in nature which fails to comply with CPR 16.4.  The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 1.  The Defendant is the recorded keeper of [car reg no]. 2.  It is denied that the Defendant entered into a contract with the Claimant. 3.  As held by the Upper Tax Tribunal in Vehicle Control Services Limited v HMRC [2012] UKUT 129 (TCC), any contract requires offer and acceptance.  The Claimant was simply contracted by the landowner to provide car park management services and is not capable of entering into a contract with the Defendant on its own account, as the car park is owned by and the terms of entry set by the landowner.  Accordingly, it is denied that the Claimant has authority to bring this claim.    4.  In any case it is denied that the Defendant broke the terms of a contract with the Claimant. 5.  The Claimant is attempting double recovery by adding an additional sum not included in the original offer.  6. The Claimant is claiming an unlawful amount of interest.  The dispute between the parties concerns a disputed, unpaid invoice, issued on 6 January 2025, on which it is written "Payment to be made by 06-Feb-2025".  Yet the Claimant is claiming interest from 4 January 2025.  7. The Particulars of Claim is denied in its entirety.  It is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief at all.
    • Okay. That sounds a lot better. Hopefully you now realise that the third party rights act only applies if you have used a parcel broker but you are trying to sue the courier company directly. So because you contracted directly with the courier, you are going to sue them directly. By using insurance or prohibited items or non-compensation lists, they are seeking to exclude or limit liability for failure to exercise reasonable skill and care – and of course this is contrary to section 57 of the consumer rights act and in fact the insurance that they pressurise you to purchase amounts to a secondary contract under section 72 of the Act because it is a prohibited secondary contract which is attempting also to limit or exclude liability for failure to exercise reasonable skill and care. The prohibited items list is an unfair term as you have already pointed out. Even more significantly here not only are they saying that it is prohibited – but they are saying this despite the fact that they were very happy to take your money in respect of insurance. These people are stupid and dishonest. But also now they will abuse the County Court system by making you jump through the hoops because it costs them scarcely anything at all to use up the County Court system because it is a publicly funded taxpayer resourced system of justice. They don't use this to obtain justice. They use this simply as a means of debt avoidance to try and frustrate their customers legitimate claims.   Okay I've made a few amendments – and also I've added a further head of damage for unfair trading which could give you a next your little bit of money and also an extra little bit of leverage. Please have a look. See if you are happy with it. If you want to take anything away. If you want to add anything. If there is anything which is incorrect – and post up the final draft here please for a last look.
    • Nope, not yet filed, have it in draft but was going to leave it a little while until nearer the deadline 🙂
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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Settlement Discussion Due - Any Advice?


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Following notification of a prelim court hearing on 20th March, I emailed Abbey asking whom i needed to forward any correspondance to, and asking if they would ike to negotiate settlement prior to me compiling the court bundle and adding prep costs etc.

I have received a reply saying they cannot get to my file this week but would like to discuss settlement next week and will arrange a call. This is where i would like any advice before the due call, and if there is anything i should be aware of.

 

My original claim went in MCOL on 2nd Oct and was £678 charges, £103.26 interest and £80 court fee = £861.26. Then there is any interest up to date. Does anyone have any idea or experience as to what to accept? I know it obviously could depend on individual circumstances, but for me it's more a matter of principal. I don't want them to get off lightly, with the agro they have created for myself and all you others in the same situation. On the other hand, i don't want to push unreasonably, saving the hassle of compiling the court bundle and time off for court etc.

Any ideas or views from others would be great. I thought about taking original amount, adding interest to date then offering 95%?

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sounds fine to me, but I would let them do the talking because they will offer less first of all, but let them know that you are not adverse to compiling the court bundle and that will cost them more and that you will accept no less that 95% of your TOTAL costs. If they are unwilling in this, terminate the conversation.

 

Let us know how it goes

 

 

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Have a look at the last page or two of this thread

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/abbey-bank/19778-teebum-abbey.html

 

Teebum got 100% settlement plus an amount for the time he had spent on the claim of 49 hours at £9.25 per hour. To be honest if you tell them you want more for all your trouble they seem to be giving it. No need to go mad but a reasonable figure would be paid rather than going to all the trouble of the work involved.

 

The negotiations were with Inga Kirkman who seems to be doing most of the claims

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Thanks for advice all.

The email i received was from James Arrandale, so i guess thats who i'll be talking to. Seems the majority vote is settle for the full 100%.

 

I'll let you know how it goes, hopefully some time next week.

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Hi there could you please let me know the email address you used my court date is for the 21st of March and I would also like to try and settle.

 

Good luck! don't forget to let us know how it goes:)

Buffy:wink:

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